Click here to return to the home page.
Image of a road.
Who's Online Now
5 members (John Winn, sewin, Camelot, david nathan, chanteclair), 346 guests, and 31 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters(30 Days)
John V6 70
DaveW 67
+8Rich 66
Newest Members
4199, GOFFO1965, Joske Vermeule, SBP17, Ulfulf
9,208 Registered Users
Newest Topics
Maybe an MX5
by howard - 23/07/25 04:10 PM
Dashboard Turn Signal Light
by Bob_Price - 23/07/25 03:37 PM
Ozzy Osbourne
by Burgundymog - 22/07/25 08:28 PM
Super Three chain drive conversion
by Alastair - 22/07/25 04:18 PM
M3W - Anyone know this car?
by Biggle - 22/07/25 01:40 PM
S&S X Wedge Engine Gasket Source
by Morgan Dude - 22/07/25 02:13 AM
Supermax sprocket
by Laurens - 21/07/25 08:26 AM
Latest Photos
Motorworld München
Motorworld München
by Oskar, July 20
visit to Classic Remise Düsseldorf
my book
my book
by Oskar, July 20
More Pictures of the MHR Visit
More Pictures of the MHR Visit
by DaveK, July 19
Visit to the Factory- Historic Morgan Group
Forum Statistics
Forums34
Topics48,343
Posts813,018
Members9,208
Most Online1,046
Aug 24th, 2023
Today's Birthdays
RedThree
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 7 of 10 1 2 5 6 7 8 9 10
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 11,610
Likes: 43
Wave & smile... It's a Morgan
Member of the Inner Circle
Offline
Wave & smile... It's a Morgan
Member of the Inner Circle
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 11,610
Likes: 43
I think the biggest thing putting me off a CX platform Mog (other than the price) is the fact I won’t be able to tinker

I love tinkering on the Mog and the suspension greasing and the messing about

Won’t be the same on new modern fangled machine with an engine that looks like a nest of vipers


2008 XXVII Platform, Bugatti Blue Roadster 4 Seater
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 11,221
Likes: 159
Smile, it confuses them
Member of the Inner Circle
Offline
Smile, it confuses them
Member of the Inner Circle
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 11,221
Likes: 159
Okay perhaps Morgan can introduce a new option. Surrogate suspension grease points. They could fit them for Trad owners to allow them to climb under and get messy?


Everyone loves a Morgan. Even me, unless it's broken again.
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 895
Talk Morgan Regular
Offline
Talk Morgan Regular
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 895
Originally Posted by Stewart S
I think the biggest thing putting me off a CX platform Mog (other than the price) is the fact I won’t be able to tinker

I love tinkering on the Mog and the suspension greasing and the messing about

Won’t be the same on new modern fangled machine with an engine that looks like a nest of vipers


I think I could cope without the black fingernails, I'd probably like it to drive too, but its out of my price range for a 3rd car. I would never get planning permission.

Around £65K with extras doesn't sound too bad if you say it quickly but you can get a lot of high spec prestige cars for that kind of money. At the moment its an unknown quantity for depreciation. Cars in that bracket tend to depreciate more in cash terms too so Ill think about it in a couple of years ....maybe !


Rob

4/4 Sport Grey

Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 374
Likes: 2
Learner Plates Off!
Offline
Learner Plates Off!
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 374
Likes: 2
Stewart, you could order your CX with the optional wires and spend your lazy weekends on your knees with a toothbrush 😂

Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 7,342
Likes: 91
Talk Morgan Guru
Offline
Talk Morgan Guru
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 7,342
Likes: 91
Originally Posted by Alistair
Okay perhaps Morgan can introduce a new option. Surrogate suspension grease points. They could fit them for Trad owners to allow them to climb under and get messy?


To be honest, I had the same thought, but I couldn't think of such a good example as you.


'14 4/4 graphite grey
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 14,723
Likes: 149
Member of the Inner Circle
Offline
Member of the Inner Circle
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 14,723
Likes: 149
Originally Posted by Peter J
Another perspective...
After 2 years with Aldermog, the Roadster I was hooked by the look and style of the car, and found a welcome home in the Morgan communities. But the "vintage charm" soon wore off. I spent quite a lot on suspension upgrades and other alterations, including applying heat/sound proof pads to most of the inside of the cockpit. But it still wasn't right, Caroline found driving it difficult due to the heavy, long throw clutch and heavy steering at slow speed.
So, we bought Tarka the Plus 8: that was in 2014 and since then I've not found anything that could tempt me to change.

BUT.. had the "New Plus Four" been available in 2012 when we bought the Roadster we would have bought one: it looks like a traditional Morgan, probably drives better than the Plus 8 based on my Plus Six experience yet underneath it is a modern car. Not everyone is as in love with the traditional Morgan experience as many are here, the number of very low milage Morgans about shows that they often don't live up to the owners dream. I predict that the Plus Four will change that dynamic and new owners will hang on to their cars. It may seem to be an heretical suggestion, but in a year or so the value of low mileage used Plus 4s may soften.

As has been said, this car is a game changer for MMC. The possible arrival of a 185 bhp Four/Four in 2022 will only speed up the evolution of Morgan.

When I ordered the Plus 4 in late 2011 I was actually intending to buy a Roadster but the 3.0 litre version had just been discontinued and I felt that the proposed, but not yet available, replacement was too powerful for the trads chassis and had more power than I wanted. I tried very hard to get them to build me a car with the Plus 4 SS engine but Morgan would not build it with an easyup hood or in LH drive.

The rest is history and, like Peter, the "vintage charm" soon wore off. I have spent quite a bit of cash in improving the suspension and mild engine tuning. I still think that around 200 hp and good torque is the "sweet spot" for a Morgan sports car.

Certainly if the CX PlusFour had been available in 2012 I too would have bought one. Now, however, I would be discouraged by the price. I would not get sufficient return on the sale or part-ex of the Plus 4 to make it a viable option and I can't really see the benefit to me of changing to a car that is not really how I would like it to be: too powerful and too much torque for such a light car without traction control, and I am left somewhat nonplussed by the lack of a radio. I also feel that they could have done a little more work on the design to get rid of the "pram hood" effect. There have been a wealth of soft top cars that seem to be able to conceal the hood when down.

I am sure Morgan will have a great success with the car but I don't think it is for me.

If they did bring out a 185 hp version that could be more interesting to me as the torque from a turbocharged engine would put it more into my perceived "sweet spot". The only problem with that is that the years are passing for me and I feel less inclined every day to put money into expensive cars.

Last edited by Gambalunga; 06/03/20 10:33 PM.

Peter

[Linked Image]
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 7,342
Likes: 91
Talk Morgan Guru
Offline
Talk Morgan Guru
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 7,342
Likes: 91
I can well imagine that a ca. 190 hp version will follow. When I can not say, but it would be an option to reach a wider clientele. It would be a smart strategy to lower the price (credible for the public) in case there are not enough buyers for the current 250 hp version (at the current price point) even if the production costs would be the same. I believe it could happen, may be in two years from now.


'14 4/4 graphite grey
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,360
Likes: 5
H
Has a lot to Say!
Offline
Has a lot to Say!
H
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,360
Likes: 5
Am I considering the change- yes
Why? I was never attracted to Morgan’s for the ability to fettle or the need to grease or a clunky ride etc. I was attracted by the looks and the built by hand thing (and the history).
With my tired old joints, and in recovery still from left ankle op, an auto appeals. A modern suspension appeals. A bit more power appeals. A larger, easier to ingress and egress (if that’s the word or is that a baby eagle) appeals. All the above also means Lady HB (in recovery from hip replacement) would enjoy the drive more as a passenger and would even consider driving it, which she won’t whilst it’s a manual. Indeed she has even suggested a willingness to consider U.K. hols further afield eg NE Scotland, if it is a more pleasant (for her) place to sit for hours on end.
Me, I love my trad, but for the shared experience I think a change is highly likely (subject to part ex value and access to other funds if poss).
It will be cheaper to change the car than Her Ladyship, according to my man maths....😇 (only joking dear if you ever read this....if you don’t hear from me again you will know why...#willbeburiedunderpatio).
I can’t wait for a test drive!!!
Anyway, gotta get off to Allon White to meet a famous author called Phil (dare I ask if unsigned copies are cheaper? Too soon?)
Ciao
HB


Plus Four Bentley Velvet Red “Grandi P”
Golf ehybrid thingy “Toadie”
Polestar 4 “Vger”
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 11,610
Likes: 43
Wave & smile... It's a Morgan
Member of the Inner Circle
Offline
Wave & smile... It's a Morgan
Member of the Inner Circle
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 11,610
Likes: 43
I’m in the garage this morning tinkering on the Mog to see how much I enjoy getting grubby scuffed knees


2008 XXVII Platform, Bugatti Blue Roadster 4 Seater
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5,108
Likes: 56
Black Rat
Charter Member
Offline
Black Rat
Charter Member
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5,108
Likes: 56
I have always had a classic of some description, when I sold the last one an '84 Alfa Spider I needed something to replace it but I wanted something reliable but still with the classic feel and handling. My NB + 4 ticked all the boxes would I change it for a CX, absolutely NO. That's not to say I don't think the new car is great because it is but just not for me.


Keith
2013 narrow bodied + 4 Ruby.
Page 7 of 10 1 2 5 6 7 8 9 10

Moderated by  TalkMorgan 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5