Originally Posted by TBM
Aaaah, back to rabid EU bashing. I'm out.


I am not certain I am willing to EU bash as a whole.
I believe the current leaders do need a good verbal bashing for taking the twitter route to resolution instead of the proactive grown up "that's a politician" route.
Any of us that want to go on holiday in Europe this year need to be comfy it is safe and this is part of it?

I would also love to understand how much of it was down to them clinging on to the Sanofi (strong French Interest?) path behind the scenes. I heard the french press ran a few articles that were critical of the delay and cover up on the delivery of it. It rather suggested that SANOFI were being bullied into saying it would be ready shortly and this was promised up the chain.

Originally Posted by SFG
I’m for a more balanced view. EU citizens will be feeing that they’ve missed the boat pretty badly, and they’re exporting vaccines almost to exclusion of their own needs, which are pretty desperate. So the politicians had to try something to try to prompt others (us) to be a bit more generous. We’d all feel the same if we turned up to a supermarket to find the someone else had bagged all the toilet rolls. Especially if half of them refuse to use that sort of toilet roll.
Despite the harm it would do us, I’d be in favour of diverting some of our supply to the EU. It would be a major boost to our trade prospects, and I want to go to France this year. Maybe they could have our Pfizer and we could have their AZ which isn’t being used. I’m sure the upcoming talks will decide something like that.
I thought about deleting this but, not much else to do while in lockdown...


I agree SFG. This is the first test of the new relationship and communication skills of the UK-EU parties and it is the usual he said-she said muppet ho-down. To be fair to the UK and Boris I am pleased it did not get dragged down by this side. I am certain that I am make this comment without a full understanding of the first jab/second jab targets etc but this is when a positive view delivering joint benefit is needed. We can jab everyone only to have a new strain pop out of a lorry driver (finally being tested!) from Spain/Italy etc tomorrow.

We are in a position now to do more good for our partner nations than we have been for a long time. Our lead allows us to continue and help others like the Commonwealth, South American and African regions. The outcome of the covax decision makes the world a poorer place sadly.

I expect that Hospitality will introduce a "per night/room jab tax" on the bill next year so that each stay provides a jab for the local community so clearing up the surrounding areas and making it ever better to travel with comfort. It will be creative moves like this that help the less financially secure regions I hope.

The comments re breaching law and calling the national card as above it also provokes another thought in my mind. How long before it gets hijacked on the racial card as there are studies showing a number of racial types suffer more significantly than others and so should be given earlier access or raised a click in the priority list. I don't dispute this and would see the logic in it. I would actually support it. But this would also become a tinder pot in the press and lead to comments of virus-jacking the agenda no doubt.

I will stop there before I pee off to many, sorry if I have touched a button, it is not my intention to offend, just consider from my perspective.


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